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The Future of Work

Discussion in 'Social Discussion' started by jklmnop, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. jklmnop

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    What do you think about the future of work? Are we on the bleeding edge of the workplace? Will crowdwork be the norm or is it a blip? Is UBI our potential reality or a way for billionaire tech bros to assuage their guilt at disrupting hundreds of industries (or both)?

    Talk about the future of work here. Research welcome. Keep it respectful
     
  2. jklmnop

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    From the daily thread:

     
  3. Jharkan

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    I use the tools that I have access to, if I like them.. but I also try to work logically. apparently. I found that out when I mentioned how/what I search for, and people were like "hrrmmm.. that's a good idea"

    also, I think it's better to work within the $/hr range that you want to work in; I do not work below my hourly and I think that by doing so, I'm sending a message that such a rate is OK with me.
     
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    Interesting question. Automation is only going to increase, and not just for crowd work. Requesters still seem to want human intelligence for their tasks, particularly for surveys. I'm not sure where we are exactly as far as AI is concerned. Take A9s for example. Could a program be written to recognize if a shirt is short sleeve, long sleeve, or no sleeve? I would think so. I guess it's still a matter of paying crowd workers pennies versus paying programmers a bit more than that. Which is why it's awesome that there are those of you with more patience than myself who learn some programming skills on their own. I would encourage you to not stop there if you enjoy. Maybe save up and take some courses. Get certified. Slap that bad boy on your resume.

    I guess the bigger question is how automation will affect the workforce. I think it's a legitimate concern. I also worry about the sophistication of AI, and if they will simply one day decide that humans aren't necessary. Maybe I read too many sci fi novels growing up. I'll be in my robot proof bunker if you need me.
     
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  5. Achilles2357

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    I think that it will be an excellent thing if "crowdwork"/"gig work" becomes much more common, and becomes recognized by most as an inherently viable way to earn money.

    I think it would be great if some people earned all their money this way, and some people earned some of it that way, earning other money by developing freelancer profiles or by having standard "W-2" "jobs".

    I think that current trends make this viable. At the same time, people with W-2 jobs are much more controllable. It is also true that W-2 jobs routinely offer all sorts of "benefits" that do not come to other sorts of workers. In the present day USA, people tend to regard "having a job" as crucial, but I think that a big part of this is that "having a job" provides benefits like health insurance, etc., that are not logically connected at all with employment or doing work to earn money.

    If I am right, then some sort of alternate social safety net, like UBI, should be seriously debated. At present, this seems supported mainly by "socialists" and a few "techbros" who are looking towards the future. I am hard pressed to see how UBI would be any worse than the bureaucratic hodgepodge of public welfare programs that now exist. To some extent, "Obamacare" was sold as something like UBI that would enable freelancers, etc, to do their own thing, but... maybe I should just drop that topic. To be honest, I am very sympathetic to the basic impulse, but I think the reality has been disastrous.

    As to why I think crowd/gig work may have inherent value, I have three points right now: 1) it can free workers from dependence on particular employers and allow them to engage with the wider world as they see fit; 2) it can allow workers to pursue multiple options at once, while still earning money; and 3) it can allow workers to separate the task of earning money from the pursuit of whatever actually matters in life.

    Also, the basic viability of crowd/gig work, from the perspective of employers, is only going to increase, so I think it makes sense to consider how to make it work.
    I will give this more thought...
     
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    "Get certified. Slap that bad boy on your resume."
    As I understand things, a major problem with "tech" resumes now is that they are read by.... bots!
    (I certainly agree that... no matter what your real interests in life, part of doing better at mturk is learning more tech stuff.)
     
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  7. imGreek

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    Automation is increasing and will continue to increase. There will always he use for human input though, obviously vastly reduced. It just the way the things are
     
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    Hi Everyone, I am fairly new to forums...at best its been years since I was one on. I cannot figure out how to start a thread! UG, can someone give me direction? Im not sure how I will see your answer because Im not versed in this platform but I am a worker and very upset because I keep running into requesters that DONT PAY. You go through the entire survey and get a thank you page instead of a code. Then I tried to bypass their greediness and just copied and pasted the url into the code area which worked at first but today I saw a rejection from one well paying one. I couldnt believe it, not only do they try not to pay in general but even after you work it and try to actually get paid, they reject it. And amazon does ZERO to help.

    Any suggestions? Is there a blacklist site...I already have my own blacklist spreadsheet!

    Diane
     
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    Yes, we use Turk Opticon and Turker View. Have you downloaded Mturk Suite yet? Do that right away. https://github.com/Kadauchi/mturk-suite/wiki
    ETA: I'm in bed debating whether to get up and start shoveling :). I'll add more later if I can.
    welcome! feel free to post in the work thread.
     
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