So, I've got a lot of requests to get let into an old conversation where I taught someone the basics of Mturk and MTS, and getting started. I've copy/pasted it here. I'm speaker 1. They're speaker 2. I've tried to keep the conversation intact so you can see questions and responses and see how it organically came about, as lots of people tend to have the same questions. Here it is. Below the first tutorial, you'll find an in-depth look(In Blue and Grey) at HitCatcher and PPM(Proper Panda Management) The eight P's of Mturk. Proper Panda Programming to Promote Prosperity and Prevent Pesky PRE's Me(1): How can I help? First, slow down on scripts. Them(2):Well I've already slowed down as I just decided I was wasting too much time installing them and not doing HITs. Now I don't know what to do with them all haha. 1:Turn off all scripts before we get started. We'll go from there.Also, what scripts? Do you need them? Which browser, too? I only use a few key scripts.Are you new to turking too? I'm assuming yes. No worries. We'll get you there. 2: Chrome, and... [MTurk Worker] Dashboard Enhancer 2.0.4 [MTurk Worker] Display Total Available HITs 1.0 Block Individual Requests 0.0.5 Block Requesters (Fixed) 1.0.0 HIT Scraper WITH EXPORT 4.1.4 HIT Scraper WITH EXPORT (CHRISTURK TEMPORARY FIX, UNINSTALL AFTER FEIH FIXES ORIGINAL VERSION) 4.1.3 JR Mturk Panda Crazy 0.6.3 JR Mturk Panda Crazy Helper 0.3.9 JR Mturk Panda Crazy Queue Helper 0.3.8 mturkeybacon Save Automatic Approval Time 1.54 mturkeybacon Today's Projected Earnings 1.1 Mturk - Expanded header info. - UPDATE 1.5 MTurk Dashboard Change Notifier 1.1 MTurk Dashboard HIT Status links 1.1 Mturk Engine 1.5.0 MTurk Great HIT Export 1.28 MTurk HIT Database Mk.II 1.2.1 Mturk Hourly 2.1.3 Mturk ID Copy/Paste 2.94 Turk Requester Bookmarks 0.2 Status Page Chart 1.6 MTurk Time Tracker 0.3.5 MTurk Wage Reporter 0.7.5b Pending Earnings 1.0 Preview, Accept and Hoard 13.0 Requester ID && Auto Approval Time (Formatted) 1 Turkmaster (Mturk) 1.5.11 turkopticon Sorry for the text vomit.... 1: First, add MTS extension. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/...lf?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog It's made by a guy from here, and the place we were before. It'll get rid of the need for a few scripts. It combines a bunch of stuff, including a HitFinder(HF) and a Hit Catcher (for PandAs) Key scripts to start with, for me... loading..................................one moment Holy hell! lol. Get rid of anything made by Amazon, first. All garbage. Not recently updated and they don't have a clue what we do for work. Dumb asses. Give me a minute. Trying to work too. I asked for it. 2: I've deleted them all to start from scratch. 1: Good plan. Get Mturk suite, made by kaduchi, a forum member. 2: Check! 1: mmmturkeybacon Auto Reload Google IFrame On Error **** Not sure about this any more let me know if you have any idea 1/15/2019 Automatically reloads the iframe of a Google HIT if the "Please refresh the current page in your browser." error occurs. This comes in handy on broken HITs. https://greasyfork.org/scripts/1044...on Auto Reload Google IFrame On Error.user.js 2: Check and check 1: Tons of forum members use this for PandAs. Panda crazy https://greasyfork.org/scripts/19168-jr-mturk-panda-crazy/code/JR Mturk Panda Crazy.user.js I don't. Maybe rarely. Made by another forum member. I use Hit catcher, built into MTS 2: I wanted to use that but had no idea how to set it up optimally. I also have mTurk Engine. But don't know how to take advantage of either 1: No idea what that engine is. PandA crazy has a whole thread dedicated, I think. That can help. As I said, I don't need it. If you haven't, it may not help to confuse the issue. To begin, that is. 2: Check, and again I have no idea how to take advantageof HIT gathering 1: mmmturkeybacon Unclick Radio Button https://greasyfork.org/scripts/8716...e/mmmturkeybacon Unclick Radio Button.user.js This will help if you mess up on a survey that doesn't allow "unchecks" (it happens) 2: Check! 1: First thing you're gonna want to do, when you get started, is click the MTS thing in the upper right corner. That will allow you to turn on Hit finder, Hit catcher (Irun both at all times) And hit tracker, to remember what you've done. 2: All open! 1: TO (turkopticon) where we rate requesters, so we know who sucks. Can't remember if kadauchi included it in MTS but, better safe than... https://greasyfork.org/scripts/16475-to/code/TO.user.js 2:Check! 1:Upper left of HF check settings and see what you want to do (minimum pay, etc) You can only hit them( AMT) up about once a second or they give you page request errors, which are a pain. I run HF on 1200 ms, min pay .24, min # HITs 0 or 1, doesn't matter. Then click 'Find HITs' and watch it go. You can set how often it polls AMT (Mturk) You'll find what works for you. May want to slow it down to 3000 ms, so you can keep up Now, you should be seeing HITs? 2: That I do! 1: The way Hit catcher works is, you set the time there too. Remember not too fast or AMT PRE's(Page request errors) If you try and click accept on a HIT in HF and miss it, there should be a bar at the top of the screen "There are no more of these HITs available" After that, 'Once' and 'Panda' once will accept the HIT once, then turn off. PandA just keep accepting them until you turn it off. The more PandA's you run, the less likely to catch them. because it runs them consecutively. You can try it now and see what appears in HC 2: So when do I know to do "once" and when to do "Panda"? 1: Surveys, once. Batches, PandaA. (remember too keep it slow if you use PandA, if you have it set for 1000ms, it will grab one every second. If you aren't doing them in a second, you will be overwhelmed) 2: Survey once...batches Panda....alright I think I get it. 1: I use HIT Tracker a few times a day to see everything I've done. I would start it and 'update' 'Last 45 days' So it's current and ready. 2: Projected Earnings Today 44 $13.22 Projected Earnings This Week 193 $36.73 Projected Earnings This Month 194 $36.93 Pending Earnings 50 $12.66 Approved Waiting Payment 20 $4.60 1: And, that's how I work. I run HF and watch it. I start grabbing stuff. If I miss it and want it, I 'Once' (still a "PandA" really. That is just short fot 'preview and accept' "PandA") From another tab/window/screen, open your 'Assigned HITs' Just start at the top and it will keep loading from Queue as you submit. I use 2 screens, two tabs or spit screens works too. I run HF and look at it with my right eye, while I do HITs on the left. YMMV whatever is comfortable. It will all suck until you find what works. Are your HITs in HF coming up in different colors? Red yellow green? 2:Yes they are 1: If you click the person icon at the beginning of the row, you can see their scores, given by turkers. Red sucks, you can filter them I think. **UPDATE Make sure to check for yourself. These are suggestions not rules. Follow at your own risk. Yellow is, so-so. GREEN means go, baby! 2: So all green all the time? 1: The top half of HF has the current HITs that are up. It moves a lot and annoys me. I close it and work from 'logged hits' below. You can close it with the little arrow in the corner. The logged HITs always had the most recent HIT on top. Make it a little less jumpy. 1: Basically stay away from red(Or investigate before you do it). Green is okay without having to look.(You may still not like the HIT but, it's fair) Yellow is mediocre. I do mostly green with smattering of yellow. 2: How do I filter out the reds? 1: Change settings. "minimum rating" Set it to 3 or 3.5 or even 4. Your choice. I leave the reds on, cause I like to know what I'm not doing. 2: Done! 1: Sooooo, I just shoved you through a lot of info really quickly. Sorry. I learn fast and teach faster . Where are we at? How are you feeling? 2: Feeling pretty good. Everything you are saying is making sense thus far. Let's keep going Setting the filter to 3.5 and I don't get a lot of HITs now haha 1: I would bring it down but, it is getting late too. It comes in waves. As I said, I don't filter by min rating. I just look at the colour and go from there. TBH, that's pretty much Jerami's Advanced Expedited Training. I don't do much more than that. There will be a few hiccups and new stuff that comes up but, we'll burn that bridge when we get there. Unless there's something specific and extra, you ca think of you're golden. That's exactly what I do all day. I grab HITs on the right, while I'm doing them on the left. If I try to grab it and miss, but really want it, I 'once' it. That will grab it in the background for me. Don't run too many once's in HC. You can turn them on and off under each HIT. You can try it now, if you want. You can always return a HIT. So, I do those 3 things, I run the forum on a tab to keep current. And, I just work the HITs, (from queue "Assigned HITs") I can guarantee, myself, $40 to $XXX by doing that. I've got it down but, I would start doing some work and see if you have any more Qs If you donate( I don't work here OR get any of it) the forum will 'Auto-update' which comes in handy. (There's no minimum) ***May be $10 minimum FOR LIFE(HINT: IT"S WORTH TWICE THAT! I'll explain later.) You can grab HITs from the forum but, you have more luck if the forum is current.(AutoUpdate..Contributor perk) Any other questions now? 2: Nope I think I'm good. I'll try to be active to keep up. Thank you! How do you know what surveys you actually want? 1: On HF, on the right, you can see the pay. In the middle, you have a short description. If it pays well and I qualify, I do it. Buuuut, this is important, everyone likes different ice cream. I have no dislikes or hang ups. Some people don't like to write, you won't know until you get there. I'm a money hungry hippo. I do 'em all. Especially when you're new. I can't tell you what you're going to like. 2: I'm open minded and willing to try anything 1: That's the right attitude. You'll be fine. It'll take a few days, and you'll know what you like. I like long surveys, that pay well, because I can bang them out and stay busy. Some people don't do any surveys. Trying anything once is the perfect way to go. _ 2: Also! Qualifications. Which ones should I try to get? 1: ABQ Always be qual'ing. I have 195 pages of quals, lol. Definitely do the Mturk demographic ones, though. At the beginning, those will get you started. Then, when it's dead on Mturk, I do quals. 2: What's the best way to start getting quals? 1: https://www.mturkcrowd.com/threads/qualifications-how-do-i-get-them.12/ : Disclaimer: This is just how I turk. There are as many ways as turkers. This will get you going though. Hope I helped. So, the former was written about a year ago. If anything is outdated, feel free to let me know. Below, you'll find a more in depth explaination of HitCatcher and Pandas and PRE's(Page Request Errors) ***Be warned, slightly more technical ahead. I don't use PC or HForker. So, you'll have to translate this to work with the tools that you use. TL: DR I don't rely on PandAs. I rely on catching the HIT when it posts. Too many people turn on the forum and grab a bunch of old PandAs for stuff that posted before they started. I never do this. They pop up on HitFinder if they come up again. I pretty much start my day by clearing out all of the PandAs I was using the day before, from HC. Then I turn on HFinder and start. NOTE: I could have HitCatcher trying to catch a million HITs without a PRE, first of all, since it looks for them consecutively. But, it will only try each HIT once every (#of running PandAs x #ms[speed])/1000 seconds. So, 60@ a second gives you once a minute, it will try to accept each HIT. So, my limited number of PandAs is not to prevent PREs. It's to increase my chances of catching the HIT I want by trying more frequently. If I try to accept a HIT and don't catch it, I immediately add it to my running PandAs.(HC) Once I get up to 3 or 4, I go into HC and turn 1 or 2 off. I prioritize which I'd most like to catch, and try to figure, as best I can, the likelihood of catching it. If it's a $40 HIT, I may not put it at the top of my priority list because I'm less likely to catch it over a $4 HIT. Because more people are trying for it. They are trying harder.(more often) And, there are probably less to go around. Then, I start working HITs. If I see a HIT pop on HFinder, I grab it or PandA it, while working my HITs. If I hear HC say it caught something, I quickly open it to see what it caught, and turn on the next PandA in my mental list, while deleting the one I caught. Rinse. Repeat. Couple of tips; Don't worry about deleting something because it may not be dead.(You can always put it up again, if you change your mind) You could try and set an alert, I guess. But, after a bit, I feel it's not the best use of my time trying to catch something old, when there's always new stuff coming. When it starts to slow down at the end of the day, If a PandA has run for a while but, some other ones haven't I'll switch it up, realizing that every minute that goes by, there is less of a chance that it's still around. If its ultra slow, I'll just refresh HFinder and then it will let me know if any HITs come back around, as if they were new. Also, don't worry about preventing PREs. I mean, you don't want them but, the goal is to catch the HIT. So, we aren't trying to prevent PREs by running less PandAs, per se. We are trying to increase our chances of catching the HIT. The only way to do that is to try more often. Since we are limited by 2 things, the fact that we can only try about once per second, and that we can only try and catch a single HIT each time we try. With both of those limitations, the only logical solution that I can find is to limit the number of HITs we are trying to catch at any one time. Since we also know that good HITs don't last more than about 2-3 seconds, at best, we can't run more than 2 or 3 PandAs. In conclusion, I catch most of my HITs straight from HIT Finder. That's really the key to catching HITs. Proper PandA management helps but, having your HIT finding tool(Forker,Scraper,Finder, etc) visible at all times is essential to the way I work. I can see a HIT post almost a second before it beeps to alert me. I grab everything that there's a remote chance I'd like to do. I toss back about 1 or 2 of every 10 but, I don't miss much. I know exactly where the top of my Hit Finder window is. I can get to the accept button within a second. That's how I catch HITs. I don't really rely on PandAs to catch anything. That's just a second chance if I screwed up and missed it. This is just the way I do it. It works for me. Ymmv ** I haven't had a chance to make sure this(above) is meta at the moment. Still trying to get this all in one place for everyone. Bare with me.