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Looks like President Trump declared a national emergency concerning the invasion on our southern border.
 
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Looks like President Trump declared a national emergency concerning the invasion on our southern border.
"In the bill, by the way, they didn't even fight us on most of the stuff...We have so much money, we don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do with all the money they're giving us. It's crazy."

HEALTHCARE YOU STUPID MOTHERFUCKER. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ONE GODDAMN WORD AGAINST UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE WHILE YOU'RE BRAGGING ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT HAVING TOO MUCH MONEY, YOU MAN-SIZED SEBACEOUS CYST
 

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So, Arkansas passed a law banning abortions after 20 weeks. No exceptions for rape. Incest. Or Lethal fetal conditions.
They said that making a woman carry a baby that'll die during or hours after childbirth will help her grieve her baby's death.

I know this is a serious topic and I hope it's okay I post it on this political thread.
I am so upset with my state.
 
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So, Arkansas passed a law banning abortions after 20 weeks. No exceptions for rape. Incest. Or Lethal fetal conditions.
They said that making a woman carry a baby that'll die during or hours after childbirth will help her grieve her baby's death.

I know this is a serious topic and I hope it's okay I post it on this political thread.
I am so upset with my state.
More proof that the subjugation of women, not life, is the true goal of anti-abortion extremists.
 

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More proof that the subjugation of women, not life, is the true goal of anti-abortion extremists.
Just disappoints me.
I made a comment on FB saying that we need to offer better mental health with the bill AR passed because lots of women are going to be needing it.

Being more liberal minded in a very conservative state sucks at times.
 
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So, Arkansas passed a law banning abortions after 20 weeks. No exceptions for rape. Incest. Or Lethal fetal conditions.
They said that making a woman carry a baby that'll die during or hours after childbirth will help her grieve her baby's death.

I know this is a serious topic and I hope it's okay I post it on this political thread.
I am so upset with my state.
I had a friend whose very much wanted baby was being carried in a sac without any amniotic fluid.
And had no lungs. The doctors said that it would be born and then, unable to breathe....suffocate....:(.
She had a late term abortion. She didn't want the baby to suffer like that.

That's just what I would have done, too. People conflate truth with lies. (I know I'm responding about late term stuff, but that's the biggest lie).
 
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I had a friend whose very much wanted baby was being carried in a sac without any amniotic fluid.
And had no lungs. The doctors said that it would be born and then, unable to breathe........:(.
She had a late term abortion.

That's just what I would have done, too. People conflate truth with lies. (I know I'm responding about late term stuff, but that's the biggest lie).
How heartbreaking! My thoughts are with your friend.
The news is only talking about late-term stuff so my mind is going there too. I see my friends on fb sharing false information on abortions. I just gave up trying to correct them. I've posted so many times late term abortions are babies that are wanted. :(
 
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More proof that the subjugation of women, not life, is the true goal of anti-abortion extremists.
I don't think that's true at all. The reason that so many people are opposed to abortion, even in the most unfavorable conditions, is that they believe that a fetus (at least 20 weeks old in this case) is equal to a person. You and I might not share that belief, but it shouldn't be hard to understand why someone wouldn't want to end the life of an innocent person unless absolutely necessary. This is a value that humans agree on almost unanimously. We just don't all agree on what counts as a person.
 
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I don't think that's true at all. The reason that so many people are opposed to abortion, even in the most unfavorable conditions, is that they believe that a fetus (at least 20 weeks old in this case) is equal to a person. You and I might not share that belief, but it shouldn't be hard to understand why someone wouldn't want to end the life of an innocent person unless absolutely necessary. This is a value that humans agree on almost unanimously. We just don't all agree on what counts as a person.
My point was specifically about extremists, but we both know that people are deluded by all sorts of nonsense. Doesn't make it right. Doesn't change the fact that by framing fetuses as somehow separate from the woman carrying them, those people are by definition subjugating women. Dehumanizing them as mere incubators. It's not about the value of human life at that point. It's about a decades-long effort to create a social construct of personhood that can then be used to outlaw abortion and restrict women's rights. (And they are NOT subtle about it -- see it in action here)

Anyway, Rebecca Traister says this stuff better than I can and the entire linked piece is worth reading:

...During pregnancy, should some medical, economic, or emotional circumstance have caused my fate to be weighed against that of my baby, I believe that my rights, my health, my consciousness, and my obligations to others—including to my toddler daughter—outweigh the rights of the unborn human inside me.

Talking about abortions in this way may sound heartless and baby-hating—even, I fear, to pro-choice ears. But that’s not because it is heartless or baby-hating;
it’s because the conversation around abortion has become so terribly warped. Public discussion of abortion has come to inexorably privilege fetal life over female life. The imaginary futures—the “personhoods”—of the unborn have taken moral precedence over the adult women in whose bodies they grow. (emphasis mine)

This is why public accounts of abortions are almost always accompanied with ample helpings of guilt and self-flagellation (“the hardest decision of my life,” “something I still think about”), lest the woman sound icy and immoral. ... Most people, no matter their politics, have absorbed some aspect of the right-wing narrative that abortions are uniformly harrowing and traumatic, when for many women they are brief events that leave no lasting mark.

And so we need to make it clear that abortions are not about fetuses or embryos. Nor are they about babies, except insofar as they enable women to make sound decisions about if or when to have them. They’re about women: their choices, health, and their own moral value. It might sound far-fetched to suggest that the public debate about reproduction could ever sound this sensible. But there have been times in our history when it did—even when (and sometimes because) women had far fewer rights and freedoms than they do today.
 
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