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we'll find out soon which is more important to trump -- the border wall or the economy as the economy starts to weaken soon.

p.s. the Yuma part of the wall could use an upgrade. I don't believe in walling the entire border, but I believe in better walls in some places and militarize our border with a shoot first, ask questions later policy.
Lol.... I can't tell if you're being a troll or actually serious. A wall is an antiquated solution to a modern problem.
 

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Btw, it didn't get any press at all, but a month ago congress approved about $10 billion in aid for Central America and southern Mexico to help address the real problem. That money will go a lot further toward curbing illegal immigration to the US, and it will actually make a lot of peoples' lives better. We already know this from our history with Mexico.

It's kinda pathetic how many Americans give 0 thought to any of the people that are walking 1000+ miles because they don't want to literally die. Obviously we don't have the resources to always help everyone, but we're at full employment in good economic times in the richest country in the world. We're not victims.
 

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I don't keep up with/get involved with politics too much, so my apologies if I have a wrong assumption or some such.

So let's say trump "wins" and gets the funding for the wall. What's the chance of the man even living to see it complete? From my understanding there is a lot of property in the way (to mean this seems like a ton of lawsuits on the way) so to speak, and I've seen some companies such as CAH have bought land solely to prevent the wall from being built/completed/etc.
 
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https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/laurieroberts/2019/01/18/arizona-legislator-offers-genius-plan-fund-border-wall-tax-porn/2619364002/

...so what you're saying, you Arizona person who is somehow serious with this, is you think that what essentially boils down to slut-shaming is gonna fund your $5bn monument to hatred and ignorance.

sorry but



for just one thing, I really don't think you understand how attached people are to their porn. like seriously, I imagine riots if anyone ever tried to bring this to pass.
 

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I don't keep up with/get involved with politics too much, so my apologies if I have a wrong assumption or some such.

So let's say trump "wins" and gets the funding for the wall. What's the chance of the man even living to see it complete? From my understanding there is a lot of property in the way (to mean this seems like a ton of lawsuits on the way) so to speak, and I've seen some companies such as CAH have bought land solely to prevent the wall from being built/completed/etc.
I cannot speak to other states, but the Texas Tribune has a series on this -- The Taking. edit to add tl;dr some land grabs from the *George W. Bush administration* are still pending smdh.

Just FYI, as a Texas resident I trust the Texas Tribune's reporting on the border, they put a premium on journalism over opinion. Here is their About page.

The Texas Observer (editorially progressive) also does some good reporting on the Texas-Mexico border.

This is part of what I don't get about the conservative wall position. Building the barriers that Trump et al envision would require eminent domain on a massive scale. I thought property rights were sacrosanct, a core principle of conservatism? By the time the legal process of taking this property is worked out, we'll have drones that can carry people over whatever the government builds. It's a colossal waste of money and resources when we have federal workers literally standing in bread lines rn.
 
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There are sooo many reasons why the wall is a complete boondoggle. Trumps minions have fallen for his lies and fear mongering as they usually do. The Senate gave him an almost unanimous bill he stated he was going to sign. Unfortunately Rush Limbaugh and Klan Koulter have more say with him than anyone with a lick of sense.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1081228499959140352.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/29/trump-says-border-wall-will-stop-drugs-heres-what-a-dea-intel-report-says/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-border-wall-waste-time-money-retiring-border/story?id=44978156

Ari's tweet is the operable one here.

 
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There are sooo many reasons why the wall is a complete boondoggle. Trumps minions have fallen for his lies and fear mongering as they usually do. The Senate gave him an almost unanimous bill he stated he was going to sign. Unfortunately Rush Limbaugh and Klan Koulter have more say with him than anyone with a lick of sense.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1081228499959140352.html

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/29/trump-says-border-wall-will-stop-drugs-heres-what-a-dea-intel-report-says/

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-border-wall-waste-time-money-retiring-border/story?id=44978156

Ari's tweet is the operable one here.

I'm behind here. Maybe it's because I'm still trying to figure out how criminals who could probably in some cases just take a plane here are flooding across the border and how do "human mules" carry these drugs inside of them for those miles, hours, days and live to deliver? Oh, yeah, that's right, drones can fly the drugs right over the wall and have been able to do so for several years now.
 
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well, cool, now i guess I can go take down my yellow ribbon for a few weeks anyway.
 
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